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zero, for the evangelicals. he did not play in the straw poll. what are your expectations now out of iowa? >> i tell you, we were pleased obviously four years ago, we would have liked to have won this state but we were pleased that mitt finished in second place, well ahead of better known names, like mccain rude joouny and thompson. well contest in every state where mitt's name is on the bl ought and romney was in iowa a week ago. spending three days there, stomping for republican candidates. so we are looking forward to it. we will be running in iowa, new hampshire and south carolina and every state where mitt's name is on the ballot. >> thank you so much eric for the day after, after a pretty
want to keep animals. it has to be stopped. >> do you think in your conversations with the governor that this law should have been signed. this man had just finished a year in jail on gun charges. so would not have been permitted to keep these animals under the law that was permitted to expire. >> exactly. that is what we found out that the laws are very lacks, obviously. who gave this guy the permits to have the animals. i don't know if it was usda or who it was. nobody knows anything. but he collected animals over the years. his wife just left here, she lost her husband. she looked at 30-something body of her family which she calls her animals. i let her get her pry mates, which she calls her babies, to take them to the zoo. we have to figure out what to do. this is not how to keep animals. some people use the word horrid, deplorable conditions, that's not what we do with these magnificent creatures.
it is bold to take a word from herman cain and it's simple. i think he wants to draw, whether overtly or subtly, a contest with mitt romney. mitt romney has a 59-point 150-page plan. rick perry wants to say here's my plan. 17% flat tax. we can get it done. the appeal is simple. similar to the appeal of 9-9-9. the comp the complexity of it. it is not a bad butcher sticker and it is very clear that he is worried about rick perry and his $15 million bank sxkt the attack ads to come and was pretty much ignoring herman cain. the real act now is mitt romney and rick perry. >> yeah. and andrea, and polling aside, and i rarely say that, this race was not formed yet. the two candidates who have
specific policy positions where there are these vast differences. these guys are all largely conservative republicans. >> just quickly on the brother thing. that's a southern cultural thing. i think, you know, there's times that people pick on rick perry, this is just who he is. >> i agree. it sounded to me more like hulk hogan. >> to brother tim, our late friend, he loved to refer to all of us as brother. >> it just came off a little bit strange. but we will ask someone in a position to know, because he was there, joining us now, the senior romney advisor to the campaign, thank you for joining us, eric. let's talk about the debate, the fallout. first of all, what people are talking about today, did mitt romney go too far in physically touching rick perry. it reminded people of rick lazio in 2000 with a tim russert debate with hillary clinton and rick laz why, that he is not rate rate when lazio entered her space and that was such an
in texas, under rick perry's governorship, the number of illegal immigrant in that state increased by 60%. that is at least partly due to rick perry's opposition to a border fence and for his passage of a bill that provides instate tuition to illegal immigrants. those act as magnets to bring more illegal immigration into that state. >> you've got some tart writing in the new york times today. her take, mr. romney looked like a country club tennis player dealing with a nonmember guest who calls a ball in that was obviously out. that is playing to the whole, the rap on governor romney for being elitist for being, you know, a little bit too cold, not warm enough on the campaign trail. how do you deal with that? how do you counteract that? >> i don't agree with it. you know, we just heard chuck and chris talk about the debate. i think that one of them, made
9-9-9. but all mitt romney. and did he go too far in fighting back? >> it's interesting. we thu this debate wag coming. it was the moment when rick perry realized, look, it's now or never. and the moment when the rest of the field realized when it came to mitt romney, it was now or never. so that's when it all came together last night and you saw i think the results of this. and one, the perry strategy was, go personal with romney. see if you can draw him out and boy did they draw him out. i think there are times when the romney folks that romney may have gone too far. i was impressed with how romney would always almost realize it and he would dial it back. but he ended up getting in these little mini lectures to newt gingrich who was somebody who -- somebody on that stage always trying to be the mediator, calming force. he seemed to get a rise out of newt. he got a rise out of santorum, though that isn't hard to do at these debates. >> chris cillizza, take a look
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having on voters. how is that helping him though? he is obviously rising in will polls but not doing very well in debates. >> i think it is promising for a candidate when have you a number of positive words associated with your name. almost by two to one margin he has positive words compared to say mitt romney or rick perry. it tells you a little bit about how his message is resonating and how republican voters are perceiving it. what republican candidate wouldn't kill to have business listed as the number one term associated with the name or also, the 9-9-9 which i think is number two associated with him. his economic plan is exactly what people think of when they think of him. that's pretty promising when you say mitt romney, the number one term would have been mormon which is a value neutral term but at the same time it signals a problem he might have with some voters. >> let's go to mitt romney. mormon, healthcare, politician,
invasion of personal space that people thought it was too much. >> i think that too much is made of -- i think too much is being made of that, andrea. at an earlier debate, rick perry laid his hands on mitt romney. mitt romney didn't take offense at that and i don't think rick perry took offense when mitt touched him on the shoulder at last night's debate. we have seen enough of the debates to know that when mitt romney comes on stage, he is not looking to take wild swings at his opponents. he comes prepared to talk about jobs, the economy and his plans to get this country moving again. what we saw last night with rick perry, was, it reminded me of an athlete whos had bad performances and he goes into the next context looking to pick a fight. people don't like that. i think you heard the audience more than once boo rick perry for personal cheap shots and negative attacks against romney and other candidates on that stage. >> did you think it was a cheap
campaign event. but she is marrying up a priority issue that she cares about with an initiative, the american jobs act that is critically important to the president. >> they said it wasn't a campaign event. and governor mcdonald, my interview yesterday as head of the governor's association, there with his wife. so you know officially it wasn't a campaign event but everything they do now is within that political prism. >> sure. you will look through everything in the next year, through the lens of politics. yet the policy doesn't go away. when you are a sitting president and sitting first lady, that is primarily what you are responsible for. but i think you know, she does a lot to humanize the president. every first lady, can do that for president. they are the closest person to them. they can humanize their struggles, particularly as a war time president. >> and her strengths as well in terms of reaching out to women and key groups independent voters, who have been softening. her popularity is up with