>> right. >> so you came up with another idea. "in 2003, abramoff approached the tigua tribal council with a novel proposition. free term-life insurance for all elder members of the trim. abramoff would pay the premiums, but there was a catch. the death benefits from the term-life policies that abramoff for would not be paid to the families of the tribal elders, but to a private school in washington, d.c. the school, founded and directed by abramoff, would use the money to pay tigua lobbying fees to abramoff's law firm." so the private school, you would use that to launder money to then pay you lobbying fees? >> lawrence, i think with all of this stuff, i was involved in an area i shouldn't have been involved in. that was an example. that particular thing was an insurance program that the law firm that i was a member of created in their insurance division to help nonprofits.
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