to understand that distinction. i think the reality is that this is important. this idea that newt gingrich is an outsider to the system who is running a populist campaign. there's a lot in order to believe that, there's a lot you have to set aside about insider credentials. to kelly's point, though, insider credentials are important in how washington works. but when he won in south carolina was a pretty harsh outsider populist message reflective of that tea party anger and anxiety in the republican party right now does not exactly square with a guy who spent so much of his time and leadership in washington or capitalizing on that institutional knowledge. he's got to try to square that. >> but david, of course, if you look at the people who are endorsing mitt versus newt, it's obvious that washington considers him an outsider. i understand -- i agree with you completely. he's been in washington forever,