billion in fraudulent medicare payments and we can make more progress in that area, as well. >> thank you so much. i greatly appreciate you joining us. >> thank you, tamron. >> let's bring in now nbc news military analyst retired four-star general barry mccaffrey. no big headline of the president of the series of events with general petraeus and general allen, the president saying what you have said and many others. he needs to defer until we learn more and at this point does not believe any national security issues have come about as a result of this scandal. >> well, look. it's the president's response is fair minded, sensible, thoughtful, dignified. that's the way he should have dealt with it. and i thought the fall on media interest was balance and went on to the big issues. this is a tragedy for petraeus and his family. it's a huge loss to the united states and our ability to defend ourselves. and i think that's all we're looking at. now the thing with general
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