>> what are the rights of a pregnant woman? >> what are the rights of a pregnant woman? the pregnant woman has the same rights everybody else does but so does the child. this is splitting up americans and saying an american that is very small doesn't have the same rights as americans that are taller. no matter what your height or weight, as an american you have unique rights and responsibilities under our constitution, and we want to honor life and honor people. we don't think that's irrational. >> i follow you very rational. don't question me. i follow your reasoning precisely. joan, following his reasoning that you're a person the moment after conception, if you use an iud you're a murderer. >> right. >> this is the language they choose, and they choose it. >> it's not just abortion. it's certain forms of birth control would be murder and it would be criminalized. you know, i'm pro-choice, i'm very much pro-family and pro-life and americans are divided on this issue, although there is a majority of people who think abortion should be