to turn on hillary the minute she makes a move. >> absolutely. they're waiting. >> only last as long as obama's run. >> that's right. >> let's take a look at the confirmation vote. we just got it in here late this afternoon. chuck hagel's been confirmed by 58-41. so he got some republican votes there. >> it's interesting. john bolten, when he was up for under secretary of state, he also had 41 no votes against him. so they're tied. so those that were the bolton crowd can feel like they got a tie with chuck hagel. >> your attempt at symmetry disturbs me. i think no one is in the same league as bolten. why do they keep bringing up benghazi? what's the bee in the bonnet? >> i think there's a couple things. for them there's the earnest side if you want to give john mccain and the others the benefit of the doubt. they're national heroes and they think it's markers for things like the iraq surge. it's all bundled together. if you're not in the right place on that, you're not a true national hero stewarding the interests of the country in the right way. the deeper thing is this is a time where the other side really just wants to tear down the president anyway they can and to do it viciously every day over and over again and not be about constructive solutions. now, i happen to be one who doesn't think john mccain and even lindsey graham are really about that, but i think that the ted cruzs and inhofes are. >> cruz is voting against everybody. >> i think it's -- the petty slander.