>> the big ax. >> one of those college football rivalry games. minnesota and wisconsin. >> a hashtag and all set. >> rachel, i want to bring up sort of a funny point. there's a list of things that cost the same as the sequester. one of them is the aig bail youth. the sequester about $10 billion less than what we spent on beer in 2011. 17% of what we spent on gas in 2012. and yes, someone found out and did this calculation, it is 1/100,000th cost of the death star. i'm wondering, have we in the media helped to manufacture this crisis? >> well, both parties would probably say yes. republicans in particular would probably say it pretty emphat emphatically. part of the reason wall street is not excited about this and big business isn't too excited about the sequester is that the feeling, first of all, fiscal