with the power that they have got. the reason conservative distrust big government is because in the end, this is the kind of stuff you drift towards and you look at ben ghazi, the fact that general petraeus said we they wd not using the talking points and he was the head of the cia. the leadership in the building, referring to the state department. the leadership in the building didn't like the cia talking about it. now, who was the leads? was it secretary clinton? was there a secretary leader? you just look at the record. you look at the transcripts. you look at the e-mails. ben ghazi is a case study. this doesn't have the president's fingerprints and this isn't in the white house and this isn't what you used to investigate. >> i think we need very careful to look at a politicized reaction which, obviously, occurred and the politicized reaction was irresponsible,