fewer and fewer hands and it's been manifested in some of these organizations we talked about. there are clearly flagrant misuses of the term social welfare. this needs to be reined in, congress should move forward to do it on a fair basis not back off. >> let me ask you this question, david, why was it that karl rove's 501c4 was allowed to operate. i think the thing most galling is big/little. bill burton and karl rove are running around the country obviously flouting the intent of the social welfare classification in front of all of us sitting at the table of my show, right? >> right. >> and they're not the ones getting investigated. >> both democrats and republicans are doing this because congress has now and the supreme court changed the rules with citizens united. and one little point. you know how many corporations there were at the time of the revolution in this country? >> i'm going to get this wrong. >> six. >> six. >> six. and they were basically what we would today either call charities or public utilities.