price control on kidneys. you are not allowed to compensate someone living or dead and for that reason a lot of people aren't organ donors. if you made it possible, we wouldn't have this kidney shortage. people wouldn't be waiting five years and we wouldn't have to decide who gets a kidney. now that said you need to make sure that people can afford -- >> it's just not supporting the fact that people are able to sell their kidneys are then able to use that money wisely. the short -- the problem is you've got a great discrepancy. the people that end up giving kidneys that do so illegally now in iran or in china are doing so and getting far less than the market value. the history of places that have done kidneys for money is one of disaster. >> this is an important point, though. i like the fact that you double down and say need to further marketize this. josh barrel and bertha lewis, bob woodward, thank you. before we go tonight we want to introduce you to the newest
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