about one thing. they want to know, do you have paying customers. if you do, you could be green living on mars, be married to a tree and people wouldn't care. they want to know, do you have cash flow? >> i would say also, guilt.com. the women who started that had children while funding it. you have children. i was working from -- >> the right investors. >> okay. great. >> next up. a question about the potential pitfalls of crowd funding for the owner of a hardware startup. >> a lot of times companies put kick-start campaigns online without really fully fleshing out their supply chain and sort of their business model. they end up committing to things that they can't deliver. and so we want to figure out if that's the right path for us if it's not. >> i think he's asking if crowd funding is the right path for him. not whether he should not have the supply chain. >> i think that crowd funding is just another form much marketing, right? it's not a panacea.