exactly why some on the right are against it. >> the opponents of health care reform know they're going to sign up. one of the major opponents asked why is it you'd potentially shut down the government at this point just to block obama care? he basically fessed up. he said, well, once consumers get hooked on having health insurance and subsidies, then they won't want to give it up. it's an odd logic. essentially they're saying people will like this thing too much and then it will be really hard to roll back. >> it is an odd logic, but from this republican party, we shouldn't be surprised. joining me now is jennifer grahn holmes and bill press. thank you both for being here. >> thanks, rev. >> reverend al, hi. >> governor, republicans are in a frenzy to stop this law. do you think that's because they're afraid people will like