conditions. won't cross them off the list. price them out too high. they had a sickness once or they're older. it's really something. it would be one thing if republicans said we have a better way to do this. they're not. they will rip this out and do basically nothing. let's do piecemeal work. not deal with systemic reform. not deal with the programs a lot of people are apparently looking into today. we have been reporting. ezra klein, and wendall potter, thank you for joining us. now, coming up, congress still gets paid. she doesn't. we are talking to a public servant sent home today about the impact of the shutdown on real americans. and congress doesn't have to be so broken. lawrence o'donnell and chris matthews will explain why. [ mixer whirring ]