have to raise the debt ceiling. how many republicans don't share that basic view, though? >> cruz just messed this whole thing up for the republicans in terms of their strategy. now they have overrepresented to their base what they can get, they have not managed news expectations, tough to put back together. i think the speaker would like to put a clean debt ceiling on the floor of the house, see it voted down by republicans and democrats and come back with something that has some conditions on it and negotiate from there. that would have been negotiating from a position of strength. now it looks a little more desperate to some people. but there will be conditions. if you think you're going to get a clean debt ceiling out of this and say you win, that's not the way it works. but they have to try to make this a win-win. that's the only way this thing gets resolved. >> we'll talk to a democratic member of congress down there for the vote yesterday. and he'll join us at this table when we come back. not anymore. what? my silverware isn't good enough for you? have -- have you seen it? yes, i have seen it, and it looks -- you gotta look better.