appear to be the case. cop number two may say this guy has taken a batonto the window. i thought i needed to defend him. >> he fired off shots there. they are trained to use logic but trained by far more than anything we would ever be able to understand when to use deadly force. i assume some were in the back when the officer comes to the scene, don't they process rather than firing in the back of a vehicle there with kids in the back? >> i don't know. so often, it looks absolutely appalling. i'm not defending the police conduct. i'm simply -- trying to put myself into the head of the second police officer. there's no defense for first cop. you would say the second guy fired his gun. i'm wondering if when he gets there and sees that scene, he doesn't know what's going on but sees guy number one totally unhinged and maybe he thinks he's already missed something.