>> they don't want this to pass, lars. what they want to do is they want to talk about these things. they want to talk about minimum wage and what they want to do ultimately is create a campaign issue, this sort of rich versus poor, the same old thing that they can do and avoid obamacare. that's what they want. >> so we really don't care about inequality. we don't care about poverty and hunger and food stamps and minimum wage. we just don't want to talk about obamacare is what he is saying about those on the other side of this debate. >> well, you know, first of all, reverend al, the fact is that the last time a minimum wage hike passed, it was democrats who did it. and this time raising the minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $10.10 is what will lift millions of people out of poverty. and what they clearly don't understand is many of us, i am proud of what we did with the affordable care act, because we