way. and it's part of the regular just diplomatic work that he does with other intelligence agencies. i would not read anything into this particular trip. >> but it is not sort of play on russian fears that the u.s. is directly involved here in launching a proxy war by any means? >> well, we don't have to play on those fears. the russian television stations do that nightly, 24/7, you know, and the new term, of course, is nazis. it's a nazi-led government supported -- the united states is supporting nazis. but in fact what is going down today i think is a very scary day. the government of kiev has announced a counterterrorist operation. the people that they are going to do battle with are very well armed. they seem to be very well trained to me. i've watched some of the videos where they took over these buildings. and if indeed they are going to use force against these