and never being able to come up with any substantive explanation whatsoever. that's richard burr. this past thursday, veterans committee in the senate held a major, much publicized hearing about the va and this nonsense that seems to be going on at va medical centers around the country involving long wait times for veterans to get appointments, va health centers keeping two sets of books to disguise the fact that wait times are really long. eric shinseki testified, alongside the va executive in charge of va health care. that official has since resigned. but then that day, the day of that hearing, around lunchtime a bunch of different veterans organizations, they got their turns to testify as well. so it was shinseki first that day of the hearing, then the veterans organizations. then later in the afternoon, the inspector general from the va. but as i say, it was kind of around lunchtime when the