into some shouting matches off the record. >> did you ever take lip like that from a congressman? >> i actually have. and it's not a pleasant experience. and as a reporter -- >> did you report what they said to you in anger? >> no. because that was said off the record. >> i see. >> totally off the record. >> so they say, can i say something off the record? you're no good. [ laughter ] >> but that thing, the difference is and this is true of everything you're doing here, chris. we're in a hypermedia age in which virtually nothing is off the record. virtually nothing is unrecorded. virtually nothing is not on video. everybody's got a smart phone. everybody's got a way to be a network correspondent. every single person. so what you got there was the camera still rolling. in the old days that never would have seen the light of day. >> because? >> well first of all, probably in the interview was over and the unspoken etiquette back in the day would have been you don't show that kind of thing. that's the other thing that's