let's be honest. >> these are women who are tough. and hollywood is conditioning the public to understand and appreciate tough women. >> wait a minute. hollywood has a message here and they're pushing an agenda politically? >> no. >> you just said -- let's go back and read the transcript. you just said hollywood is pushing something. >> no, i said hollywood is conditioning it. >> conditioning us, why? >> because hollywood has always been interested in powerful, tough, ambitious women. they're much more interesting than the meek, mild alternative. >> stand by your man. >> think about all about eve. so it's not hollywood, it's back to shakespeare. >> yes, sure. >> michelle? >> it is reflected in everyday life and it's being highly publicized through hollywood and people love it. who doesn't read the story about susan rice sitting in a meeting and flipping the bird at one of her colleagues who irritated the hell out of her because of the way he was treating her? we see this happening with powerful women in d.c. and on
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