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by and large, know how to do their job. if we give them the tools and give them support, they're going to make smarter stops. it has to increase and it has increased. so these are all good signs. >> the biggest thing to me is that you've got this intense politics around crime. in new york city, you're seeing it, we're at this boiling conflict point. and you have people very frustrated with the way they feel that they're policed. the cops are frustrated with the mayor. at the heart of this is this massive drop in crime and people don't understand why it happened. everyone has their theory and everyone who is part of it thinks the thing they did is the thing they did and if you take that away, we're back to the bad old days, and that just may not be true. >> to go from 2200 murders a year to just over 300, and we don't know what happened for sure. that's what the next book is going to be about. >> well-teased, peter moscos,

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