surrender when he was shot. the overall message in the wake of brown's death is the need to reform that city's police department. reverend al sharpton will be our guest coming up at the half hour. you know that was a big issue here on the set, a real issue of contention. you were pounded for things that you said that actually reflect what the attorney general is saying. i would say to answer the question that he has to how that narrative could take off so quickly, i think it's -- there's a legitimate reason. i think people are so absolutely -- especially in the minority community, feel very focused and targeted and so they jumped on it. >> there's no doubt about it. there's no doubt about it. you don't have to make things up. that's all i was saying at the time. the situation is so bad in the criminal justice system, there are two criminal justice systems. i've said it repeatedly. i said it after trayvon. i said it after eric gardner. i say it all the time here on this set. in this one instance i was