david corn around other democrats and liberals saying come on -- >> what's at issue -- first of all, what's really at issue in the john heilemann world of who is going to be president, what's really at issue ultimately is going to be what's in those e-mails because we live in that smoking gun culture. if there's nothing in the e-mails that bothers anyone if it all seems sensible and business like, then this will turn out to be absolutely nothing. it will be a violation of the speed limit and, you know the car didn't crash anyway so no problem. >> you think so? >> i have no idea what's in e-mails. the trouble with what's in the e-mails, i think for the campaign, and i don't know what you think. because we now are going to take a very long time to find out what's in the e-mails, this thing hangs over for a very very long time. the good thing for the hillary candidacy is it's happening right now. >> let me challenge you though quickly and then let john jump in. i don't know if it's just what's