i look at this and say these are my students, these are students i interact with every day. to see that his claim of i'm a uva student. >> yes. >> is like i'm american. these are different versions of the same thing and yet that means nothing in this moment. >> and that for me i think, these so are our students that the first time i heard about this story, i was in the middle of a lecture and i look over and one of my students is weeping. and i said what's going on? it was thursday morning. and she says i just -- i just got a message on my phone that my friend -- so he is her friend. >> one of my grad students, this was her friend. >> literally these are our students. i think we've had this sense that somehow there is a protective thing that occurs as a result of some level of privilege. so when you're saying i'm a uva student, it's like hands up right? is blackness so powerful at this point that it overwhelms all other statuses that are meant to confer some sort of privilege? >> i'm afraid it is.