very careless. he had a point to make. i pont i think needed to be made that we need to look at this and have a debate but i don't think he did it in a wise way or a helpful way. >> i agree with carole. i've written about this many times. people like to compare hem to elsburg who leaked the poej papers. he never left the country. in fact he turned himself in in boston. he stayed in the country, allowed himself to be held accountable for his actions. he was a man of principle and a man of conscience. edward snowden, every interview i have seen him give he has this sort of smug entitlement -- >> what about the -- i'm glad of brought elsburg up he was giving out a report that should have gotten out. it was made to be reported. >> and elsburg had worked on it.