program was illegal, in light of the ongoing debate in washington where there's clearly going to be reform what he did was strengthened for democracy and ought to be brought back home. i think that's often how it is with whistle blowers. i remember daniel told me earlier on he had almost no support doing what he did in the beginning and it took years for basically a consensus that what he did was heroic and he told me he thinks it's going to be the same pattern for mr. snowden. >> hodding carter when i first saw that headline i thought, oh, the court made that ruling and hoding inging carter reconsidered. but you clearly came to this view before that recent court ruling. >> yeah. i was thinking about the examples being cited and thinking at the time most of us were writing our renditions or chapters of the new book. that was not being said by people. and this was for some of us a step over a line which seemed to be very clear.
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