they believe that even if he says something that's out of line in some ways, that he is still speaking the truth and he's speaking to them. if you don't support him, then you think what he said is disgusting. and you think it's unexcusable. i think it hardened his core of support. if you like him, you still like him. if you don't like him, you don't like him even more. >> we saw that from the interview with paula johnson a couple of moments ago, that this was a total setup. a lot of people would say this is the craziest thing you could do is take on fox news and meghan kelly who is their revered primetime host. is donald trump making a mistake? >> yeah, i think that a lot of people have been saying all through this campaign every time donald trump does something wacky or ridiculous, that this is the beginning of the end for donald trump's campaign. i don't know if there will be any one moment like that but