ringleader. but he's a thug. that's what he is. except that he gets that ideology and thus he acts upon what that ideology allows him to do. >> a dead ender, right? >> essentially a dead ender because he knows ultimately he'll taken out or blown up. that's his end. he's not going to flee and just be on the downlow. he's been featured in isis propaganda. his image was everywhere. >> here's what's stunning though, that hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of raids now in france in the last week. how many people under house arrest? they know. they know where he's been. they know where he's going. back and forth. is he hiding in plain sight? >> if we're talking about abdelhamid salah, he's probably be out of france, in belgium or could have been -- >> but abaaoud? >> abaaoud himself, he bragged about being able to go back and forth from syria to europe twice
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