the other groups in the region. it is a clash between us. it's not just the apocalyptic vision of the future -- >> let's say, you successfully get rid of assad. there's a transition government, but it's shaky. it's shaky in iraq. obviously libya hasn't even been able to be stood up. isn't it going to take nation-building of some sorts by the united states to keep some stability there? >> that's a term that's thrown around loosely. there were people ready to take hold in libya. number one, the civil war lasted too long. we didn't start that. the libyan people was. my argument back then, if this becomes a protracted civil war, not only are people going to get killed, but militias are going to rise up and it's going to be hard to disband them after the fact and without a stable government you will leave a vacuum and will be filled by jihadists and this administration, along with the international community, after
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