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the other groups in the region. it is a clash between us. it's not just the apocalyptic vision of the future -- >> let's say, you successfully get rid of assad. there's a transition government, but it's shaky. it's shaky in iraq. obviously libya hasn't even been able to be stood up. isn't it going to take nation-building of some sorts by the united states to keep some stability there? >> that's a term that's thrown around loosely. there were people ready to take hold in libya. number one, the civil war lasted too long. we didn't start that. the libyan people was. my argument back then, if this becomes a protracted civil war, not only are people going to get killed, but militias are going to rise up and it's going to be hard to disband them after the fact and without a stable government you will leave a vacuum and will be filled by jihadists and this administration, along with the international community, after
sovereign american property. >> brian: can they actually expected. she did every single show and every guest after her said you cannot be serious? to quote john mccain most people don't bring rocket grenade and weapons. >> gretchen: the new president of libya hasn't learned how to spin yet. he was warned that these attacks were coming three days prior. >> is that the essence of a new politician who has not learned. >> steve: he's not up for reelection. our friend tony schafer said according to his understanding of the time line, the attack on the consulate started before the riot regarding the movie.
vacation, gentlemen. his numbers are not looking good. his numbers are now pretty low. he is now at about 40% approval rating. lower than clinton. lower than george w. bush, george h.w. bush. i'm wondering at this point if you think that his numbers, you know, is there anything he can do? libya hasn't helped him. bin laden hasn't helped him. sabato, what's going to help the president? >> there is only one thing that could possibly help and that is against all expectations the economy gets a lot better a lot faster than the experts in that field think it can. that's the best thing that could happen to him along with the republicans dividing and nominating a weak candidate. again, oddly enough, president obama could end up being the remainder candidate. but, look, with his numbers, he ought to be grateful for just one thing. that the election is in november 2012 and not november 2011. >> doug, you hear larry say you know what? jobs, the economy gets better.
it's really the case that rick perry now is the frontrunner in the republican race for the nomination? doug? >> well, here's the thing. i think that rick perry fills a void but hasn't answered the question. the void is there are a lot of republicans who are unhappy with the seven or so candidates who are running before he got in the race. he doesn't answer the question whether he is a credible challenger to president obama. time will tell. but, bottom line for the time being he provides alternative for the republicans who are dissatisfied. >> larry, you know, this is interesting. because i saw a poll today for the first time indicated that most republicans are suddenly satisfied with the field. and i got to believe that's because rick perry has gotten into the field. otherwise, previously they were awful saying they will wanted someone else to jump in. and if they are satisfied with the field, what does that mean for sarah palin? >> well, first of all, we will see whether that lasts. i think doug is right. people don't know who perry is.
it's sadness now and the anger of, you know, how this -- how many different ways this could have evolved and been prevented. >> matthew was the light of my life. he brought so much happiness to all his friends. >> juan: the democratic governor of that state devol patrick is sympathetic to the plight of illegal immigrants. he refuses to communicate with the federal program which would make it easier to get rid of illegal criminals. sheriff, what's your problem with the governor? the governor hasn't been willing to join the secure communities act. i'm ready to do it and go. >> juan: he has the ability to do it and so does worcester county. >> that's what we announced today hands of a tragedy hands of criminal alien. i'm taking it upon myself with
vacation, gentlemen. his numbers are not looking good. his numbers are now pretty low. he is now at about 40% approval rating. lower than clinton. lower than george w. bush, george h.w. bush. i'm wondering at this point if you think that his numbers, you know, is there anything he can do? libya hasn't helped him. bin laden hasn't helped him. sabato, what's going to help the president? >> there is only one thing that could possibly help and that is against all expectations the economy gets a lot better a lot faster than the experts in that field think it can. that's the best thing that could happen to him along with the republicans dividing and nominating a weak candidate. again, oddly enough, president obama could end up being the remainder candidate. but, look, with his numbers, he ought to be grateful for just one thing. that the election is in november 2012 and not november 2011. >> doug, you hear larry say you know what? jobs, the economy gets better.
it's really the case that rick perry now is the frontrunner in the republican race for the nomination? doug? >> well, here's the thing. i think that rick perry fills a void but hasn't answered the question. the void is there are a lot of republicans who are unhappy with the seven or so candidates who are running before he got in the race. he doesn't answer the question whether he is a credible challenger to president obama. time will tell. but, bottom line for the time being he provides alternative for the republicans who are dissatisfied. >> larry, you know, this is interesting. because i saw a poll today for the first time indicated that most republicans are suddenly satisfied with the field. and i got to believe that's because rick perry has gotten into the field. otherwise, previously they were awful saying they will wanted someone else to jump in. and if they are satisfied with the field, what does that mean for sarah palin? >> well, first of all, we will see whether that lasts. i think doug is right. people don't know who perry is.
it's sadness now and the anger of, you know, how this -- how many different ways this could have evolved and been prevented. >> matthew was the light of my life. he brought so much happiness to all his friends. >> juan: the democratic governor of that state devol patrick is sympathetic to the plight of illegal immigrants. he refuses to communicate with the federal program which would make it easier to get rid of illegal criminals. sheriff, what's your problem with the governor? the governor hasn't been willing to join the secure communities act. i'm ready to do it and go. >> juan: he has the ability to do it and so does worcester county. >> that's what we announced today hands of a tragedy hands of criminal alien. i'm taking it upon myself with
guantanamo with the other terrorists. that would be leadership. or am i wrong? when the most powerful man in the world must make a statement. khadafy has to go on trial for the lockerbie bombing, period and he has to get out of libya now. that is memo. now, the top story, reaction, joining us from new york studio, dan conoway and brian flynn, a spokesperson for the victims of lockerbie's bombing. how do you see it? >> i think gitmo would be too good for khadafy and libya helping the united states, libya hasn't done anything to help the united states. i think there is no moral ambiguity. he has a great opportunity to show leadership and to show support for the libyan people. i agree with your point that he needs to speak out more forcefully. you said it earlier, to be fair there may have been a risk to the lives of americans that are still in libya today, but i