aggressive ground organization, they'll tell you privately they know trump has some sort of ground game and going to be engaging these new voters. what they don't know is how many. >> let me jump in and bring in, sort of reminds me of howard dean in 2004 where all these massive crowds were happening in iowa and you expected something big to happen. he couldn't convert them into hard voters. do you see those similarities and analogy there? >> absolutely. in this point in 2003 you thought he was going to win. it's not just iowa with the caucuses. we thought in 2008, i think everybody thought barack obama was going to win new hampshire and obvious, that didn't turn out that way. we really don't know what's going to happen. i will say this. if i were betting, i'm going to