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she's from north carolina. she said in our interview a few minutes ago that john kerry back in 2004 disputed the ohio results and she said he called those results rigged. we've been looking all over the place. we can't find any evidence that kerry ever called the ohio results rigged. there is an article that's been floating around on line that quotes some of his supporters but not john kerry himself. but this goes to the whole question, david, of what the trump campaign is pushing out there right now. they're pushing this notion that things can be rigged and donald trump saying he's not sure he's going to accept the results of this presidential election. your take on what you heard last night. >> think for a moment -- leave out what you think of donald trump as a president. think of this as pure political mechanics. when you want to get people to vo vote, you get them a message of hope. when you look at president obama's last rally in 2012, that's his message.

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