i don't know what trump's structure will look like but you're right. we have largely outsourced foreign policy away from the department of state to the department of defense. whether that continues under trump, can't tell. >> how do you sigh the balancing act between, mad dog maddus and tillerson sb is it a hawk versus dove thing? what is going on there? >> the fact you see rice and gates wrapping their arms, dick cheney, wrapping their arms around tillerson -- >> they are all hawks. >> subject this guy may be more in their camp. >> can i ask you a question which gets to your mail. do you get a lot of push from the neocons, very hawkish people, are they pushing for tillerson? when i see names like condi and names like dick cheney involved, what are they up to? what do they want? >> yeah. i think they see him as a friend. i think we have to ask what his views are on the issue that rand raised.