david muir, and not understanding the history of waterboarding and torture, not just that it's illegal and general mattis doesn't like it but there are a lot of reasons why him as the president of the united states talking about it that way endangers our troops abroad and gives propaganda to the bad guys. >> talk about the vocabulary here. >> right. >> george w. bush and vice president cheney would both argue that what was legal was never torture. >> enhanced interrogation techniques. >> the point is this, that nobody is supposed to be for any form of torture. we have had an argument about what is the definition of torture, what, when does an interrogation technique become torture. the president is saying he wants torture. that is something that is not even a, not a part of the lexicon during the bush administration. it was a debate about what