what these individuals wanted to accomplish here. >> look, terrorists and the people behind them who are pushing them or guiding them or coaching and mentoring these terrorists are performers on a stage. they try and find opportunities to get world attention, to try in this perverse way to look legitimate in the eyes of a certain public they're trying to attract to them, while they create fear and they want to have overreaction, particularly from societies like the united states, united kingdom, france, belgium and others, that overreaction, that overdeployment helps them fuel their story, helps them recruit more. it is an incredibly awful, evil, circle that feeds on itself, and i think that's what's been so impressive as we watched in -- i was on with you last nagight, y watch the police and the security officials, hear the stories, the methodic way that these security officials are operating, in england now, as we listen to london mayor, the