what we're trying to measure here is outcomes. to private-to-private partnerships, if industry is in the building trades willing to work with labor to foster these programs, that's exactly -- isn't that what we want to see? so we should measure success based on outcomes and not based on spending. i was calling right in front of you. >> so how do you foster these private-to-private relationships? is there some executive action that will be taken? is there a tax policy proposal? how exactly are you proposing that this would happen? because it has i guess it hasn't organically happened beyond -- >> i will answer in two parts. first, you have already seen that to a large extent as we've had roundtables with business leaders, as ivanka trump has conducted several meetings with ceos around the country, here at the white house. and the second part to your answer is stay tuned and listen to the ones they announce.