when tickets are coming in, the chef is yelling, somebody gluten free and you have to fix it, it's that mentality of working with urgency. it really is a game changer to have to be like hustling especially, you know, when you have a start up. >> one item on ellen's management menu that needed tweaking was her fine dining approach to details. . everybody is about finding the ninniest error in fixing it and making it perfect. when you take that approach to business, sometimes you can, like, really clash with people because you're trying to get them to be soma particular yuls on something and they don't think that way. so it's like finding that happy medium, recognizing that not everybody is me. and being willing to be okay with that. >> ellen uses instagram to celebrate her ever growing group of loyal fans whom she calls the apron squad. they, in turn, celebrate the drive and passion behind hedley & bennet.