>> you know a lot of us -- not just us but people we represented, people we fought with performed well in difficult circumstances. p pow's perform well in five years, seven years, getting tortured every day with a view they would never, ever go home. those are the tough guys and we all look up to them, and look up to them, because they are tougher than anybody. >> why pick a fight with a former pow member of the senate? >> there's an argument that says, if you're an expert, you're not very good on your feet, and you don't know very much, you'll do exactly that, and i think that's so in this case. it doesn't make any sense to pick a fight with anybody, if you're president of the united states, you're the most powerful person on the face of the earth. and if you have to do that, then there's something missing somewhere. but to pick a fight with john