consumer protections in wall street's pocket cabinet members over at the consumer bureau like it's a coup d'etat telling ms. english she can't do anything and nobody should respond to anything she said. it really is a case where in the end, politics is whose on your side. and clearly this administration over and over it comes to financial rules, they're always on wall street's side every single time. >> soy understand substantively you're on one side. the president and mick mulvaney, most republicans and most of wall street are on the other about this bureau and what it does. but in a sort of process question in terms of government, it does not seem crazy to me that the president can direct who is going to run essentially a federal agency. >> well, play it out, though. if the president can put somebody in as an interim director or an interim cabinet member, as an interim anybody like they did at the office of the comptroller of the currency, you bring a total special interest person in whose interests are wall street, never main street's, that main street centrist, that person stays in