>> i don't know if that's true. i think that is what -- is what mueller -- they ultimately -- that will be the ultimate question. was there intent here or is -- or was this just daily stupidity really, incompetence, disregard. >> there's a passage in here about the -- everybody in the white house believing that if the investigation moved long term into the trump financial transactions that that would be disastrous for the president. and the president seemed to confirm that by having that be the thing that made him keep saying, i can fire mueller, i can fire mueller. >> completely. and then at one point, of course, he says -- he gives an interview to the "new york times" and he -- he draws the line. he says, mueller can't go here. you know, can't go into his family finances. and, you know, bannon then pointed out to me afterward