thing to say. >> and this applies in the campaign and as long as he is in the public eye, i'm the rubber and you're glue and whatever you say about me, it bounces off of you and sticks to you. and something that could shed light on him and he turns around and used it against his opponent. are any heads going to roll because of this? >> this is john kelly's toughest moment since he's taken the job. his hold on his position is the shakiest it has been. we know from our reporting at the associated press the president is calling outside of his kitchen cabinet and throwing names out there who could be another chief of staff. kevin mccarthy or mick mulvaney. and the president does this from time to time. he evaluated his senior staff constantly when they are making bad headlines thax doesn't mean a change is imminent. but what is new is the faith of the staff, the other members of the west wing has been shaken in