that is catalyzing across the country. even though you have a sessios s justice dertment trying to turn the hands back on this issue. u havete after state, city after city, activists, artists and many, many others who continue to advocate for, promote and actually take action. in new york state there's a criminal justice package. new mayor of atlanta took actions in her first week to reform the bail system. state of louisiana a year ago passed a set of modest prison reform, if you will, legislation. this movement is a real movement. and i think contributions like anna's, which bring to light and will humanize the negative effect, but also those that are working to change it is a really important contribution. >> on that note, what makes it so hard to be -- why is it not more widely understood do you think? >> people believe -- they fall into a trap that what you're talking about is letting murderers and rapists go. they don't understand the magnitude that many of the