following. it is one of the dirty habits of our political discourse that so many people use the mononuclear theoretical weapons as a first resort. and on. that is why we have no gun policy in this country. >> the gun thing, i spent a lot of my life on it. i'm a gun owner, as i said before, i've gone in and out of gun shops in the west and grown up in them. i don't think we canopies meal it. we have to get a blue ribbon panel out of the congress and american people and get together and say, this is what we have to do in a macrosense, not just about the access to ar-15s or bump stock, you can't do it piecemeal. you have to change the consciousness of these weapons and what you need them for. ar-15s say, i need them to protect myself. i looked at one or two incidents a guy with an ar-15 defended