>> supporters of privatization, general, say -- and you eluded to this, you talked about people who live in rural areas, people who want to have choice -- they say the current system hasn't worked. you've got to try something different. at least privatization will give veterans more options, better access to care. but is that the only answer here? >> no. i mean, you also go to -- we have real integrity problems in the v.a., as well. the former chief staff of the army had a problem because they weren't telling him what was going on. at the end of the day, the v.a. is a national treasure. no question. you don't want to do away with it. i do believe, like the military retirees from active duty, we have an option of either going to a military active-duty hospital or to a civilian clinic. i would prefer to go to walter reed rather than anywhere in the country. having said that, you know, we do have access to domestic health care system. i think our veterans need the