the most interesting thing about roger stone in in investigation is he has not talked to mueller. and you know from our conversations, federal prosecutors look at three categories of people -- witnesses, subjects, that's someone whose conduct is within the scope of the investigation, and then a target, someone that prosecutors plan on indicting. typically you don't interview targets. so draw your own conclusions on stone. >> mr. crowley, if joe digenova and victoria toensing are casually consulting with the president, i guess that doesn't violate any laws of the legal profession, but the president does have to have -- get to have these two of counsel just in another way. >> right. you know, brian, you would think that the president of the united states at the center of the most sophisticated and important investigation since watergate, plus a guy who is a billionaire or a many times over, 100