would meet pushback by campaign staff about going with them. why is that and what does it say regard to the campaign's relationship to the press and regarding to hillary clinton's reputation? >> i think there was a lot of distrust there. there was a lot of control, image control. in fairness, they thought they were going to win. so why would you take a risk with a story you didn't commission, come up with and shape. they can't shape the "new york times" stories obviously so there was always an element of risk. but to your point, it really hard to find new chapters of hillary clinton's life. people feel they already know her. i spent a lot of time digging into when she was a lawyer for at children's defense fund and give voters a sense of who this person is. >> you're on tour from the book.