best strategy in the trump administration just to make it even more confusing than it already it is. >> i think it is certainly in their best interest to keep it as interesting as possible. i think for everyone else ourselves included is to get to the larger point, which you made zerlina. all of these points, all of these ten trils come back to the same point, what was donald trump and the people around him doing for themselves, specifically for him, versus for the american people? you can come back to the pressure now being placed on the d.o.j. to either reveal the source or to demand an opening an investigation into whether there was political manipulation going on with this sourcing or the informant inside the campaign. again, trump is doing this simply for trump. he's not doing it for any other purpose. the point this investigation is to clarify all of this for the american people. that should be the load star for all of this. what is being done for the american people versus what is being done for the president himself and the people around him. >> when you look at this, do you think that -- do you think that
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