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you support that position when the doj that you worked for does have written guidance against it? >> well, nick and i both served in the southern district of new york, and sometimes they called it the sovereign district of new york because they wrestled to have the southern district conform to some of their rules and regulations. but i'm talking about the law. and when we had the investigation in watergate, jaworski said as a matter of law, the president could be indicted. starr said the same thing in the clinton investigation. i'm saying that in this case, where we can't rely on congress absent a spinal implant to do what is their duty and obligation to do -- >> but i've got to press you on this. jaworski can say what he wants. ken starr solicited that view from a law professor, which is as good as any other lawyer. but you know, and i'm asking you, the written guidance under both parties has been advising against that. >> yes.

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