trump campaign, with the possibility -- >> does it concern you that's the goal, or do you think it's a coincidence these relate to past special counsels? >> i don't think it's a coincidence that these charges, for instance, relate to campaign finance abuse, or abuse of power, or obstruction of yesterday, or lying to the federal government. these are some of the charges upon which individuals have already pled guilty, or are being prosecuted or potentially investigated. and so i think it's reasonable for people to at least be suspicious that that is exactly what's taken place. the other problem with this pardon ability, as you pointed out, is that everyday americans don't have access to the presidential review process since it's just being done by an individual who is bouncing off the walls in the oval office, coming up with the next great idea to pardon some conservative cause celebrity. >> no, it would seem, if you take the president's process as it's been publicly executed, you need to either endorse him in a