appear -- although we obviously don't know all the details yet. it doesn't appear he used threats of the kind you're talking about or any kind but you don't need to tolate this statute talks about corruptly trying to persuade someone. that is very important here. and may be important in other parts of this investigation as well, not just with respect to manafort. >> this is not something that those of us who are not lawyers will understand as clearly. but harry let me read you the filings, d 1 has told the government that he underds the efforts to s perry. persond 2 understood that nafort and person a were reaching out to him and d 1 to influence the testimony of potential witnesses. help me understand why this would happen. paul manafort has to know at this point that everybody is watching his every move.